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- #2336 - Ken Burns · 2025-06-11 · with Ken Burns
“of born in there that entrenched positions that people take now I think there's also a sense you know the Pentagon papers were McNamara going to a gentleman that we interviewed Robert Cardin and saying I need to find out all the decisions and he learned not only was he lying at times you know going”
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